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How Lindsey Graham tried to stay 'relevant'

NPR's Scott Detrow speaks with Mark Leibovich, staff writer for The Atlantic, about the trajectory of late Sen. Lindsey Graham as he tried to maintain relevance within his Republican Party.

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Erika Ryan
Erika Ryan is a producer for All Things Considered. She joined NPR after spending 4 years at CNN, where she worked for various shows and CNN.com in Atlanta and Washington, D.C. Ryan began her career in journalism as a print reporter covering arts and culture. She's a graduate of the University of South Carolina, and currently lives in Washington, D.C., with her dog, Millie.
Scott Detrow is a White House correspondent for NPR and co-hosts the NPR Politics Podcast.
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